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my 2¢ on the war thing...
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okay, all this bullshit with the UN, all these people saying we need to just send in more weapons inspectors and maybe if we leave the Iraqis alone they'll leave everyone else alone, it's gone too far. has everyone forgotten the enormous success we had in appeasing Hitler? throughout the '30s, every country sat by and watched as he amassed armies and broke all of the restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles, thinking "if we give him what he wants, maybe he'll leave us alone. he's not hurting any of our people anyway"...

do we really want something like that to happen again? this won't be a new war, it's a continuation of the one that HE STARTED 12 years ago, and has refused to end. he refuses to obey the restrictions the UN has placed on him, and continues to abuse his own people (as do a lot of other Arab countries). the point is that there needs to be an example made. the UN is all but powerless now, and it will in fact be powerless if nothing is done to stop Saddam Hussein, because that will mean that UN resolutions and sanctions are meaningless, because they will not be enforced. kind of like a parent saying "you're grounded--but only if you want to be"

this is the only thing that makes any sense to me. the truth is that any action taken will not be a unilateral US action. we have allies. just because we are the ones who are making the main drive for action, and we are supplying most of the manpower and technology, and because France, Germany, and the people of Britain aren't behind us, doesn't make it unilateral. it's been made clear in the past few days that even if those three countries aren't backing us, the rest of Europe is. it's also been made clear what France and Germany have to lose if Hussein loses power...

anyway, that's all my opinion. i'm generally against senseless killing, but you do have to break eggs to make an omelet, and it's possible that the world could be better off without this particular totalitarian dictator.
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From: _jamez_ Date: Wednesday 19th February 2003 11.32 (UTC) (Link)
okay, all this bullshit with the UN, all these people saying we need to just send in more weapons inspectors and maybe if we leave the Iraqis alone they'll leave everyone else alone

Its not just that.

Many people are arguing that we should only go to war if it is through the UN as opposed to independant, unilateral action by the US and Britain the only of the world's super-powers[*] supporting war

it's gone too far. has everyone forgotten the enormous success we had in appeasing Hitler?

It wasn't a complete success. We cannot forget that we gave Stalin half of Hitler's empire. Not that we had much choice..

Throughout the '30s, every country sat by and watched as he amassed armies and broke all of the restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles, thinking "if we give him what he wants, maybe he'll leave us alone. he's not hurting any of our people anyway"...

Not as simple as that. We speant a lot of effort trying to acheive peace, which should always be the first route to go down, even though war was eventually justified in this case, it was also justified to go through dipolmatic routes first. There are other factors to consider such as the fianancial depression (especially in the US which made war unjustifiable)

It should also be mentioned that it was only really Britain who gave a shit and actually went to war. France seemed happy to let themselves be occupied and the US didn't care until Perl Harbour other than making money by selling us arms.

As for countries breaking treaties, well if we invaded every country that did this, the west would be bombing half of the world. North Korea, Large parts of Africa and South America, Pakistan, the list goes on.

Afghanistan was an evil regime for years. It took the terrible terrorist tradgedies before anything was done to sort the country out.

Israel has broken several hundred UN declarations, more than Iraq has. I don't see the US dropping bombs on them.

Going back to Versailles, whilst Hitlers latter day attrocities are in no way forgivable or possible to lighten, a lot of the Versailles treaty is exstremely harsh and attributed to causing large amounts of poverty, hunger and fianancial ruin (hyper inflation) before Hitler rose to power. Many historians argue that a less harsh treaty after the Great War would have prevented Hitler ever gaining power. Of course we'll never know this, but West Germany post WW2 was treated much more fairly than Imerpail post WW1 Germany was... I think nobody wanted to make the same mistake.

Personally I think France has a lot to answer for in the harshness of Versailles..

This is the only thing that makes any sense to me. the truth is that any action taken will not be a unilateral US action. we have allies. just because we are the ones who are making the main drive for action, and we are supplying most of the manpower and technology, and because France, Germany, and the people of Britain aren't behind us

The people of Britain are irrelevant, the Government is pro-war and doesn't give a shit what the people think. But that is another matter.

I dare say that the US people are more behind war because US culture is far more patriotic by nature than in Europe. Not that there is anything wrong with that in itself, its just a cultural thing.

anyway, that's all my opinion. i'm generally against senseless killing, but you do have to break eggs to make an omelet, and it's possible that the world could be better off without this particular totalitarian dictator.

I agree that war is often the only answer and the situation could arise where war with Iraq is the only way forward. What I do not understand is the urgancy of the matter. We've left it ten years, why the hurry now? Also I have trust in the UN and think that any international war should be through them and not a 'private' affair.

I also consider France and Germany to be Trustworthy nations. Germany more so than France. If they have opposing views to war, then must there not be a reason? I am not saying that we should not ever go to war ever like many are saying, but I am saying that I do not see what the hurry is and why it cannot be undertaken through the appropriate channels.

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From: _jamez_ Date: Wednesday 19th February 2003 11.32 (UTC) (Link)
-continued-

Another example is the Cold war. Stalin is argued to have killed 20 million people in his rein of terror. Should we have gone to war an liberated the USSR back int eh alte 40s early 50s? The answer is probably not (not least because of the Nuclear Threat since 49)

I don't think you can generalise these things

[*] By super power, I mean military super powers of Britain, America, France and Russia. I wouldn't class Germany as a superpower though China is borderline.
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